Finding Your Freedom Keys with Jen Bugajsky: Embracing the Sacred Feminine
This podcast episode delves into the profound and often overlooked connection between sensuality and personal empowerment, featuring the esteemed Jennifer Bugajsky, CEO and founder of the Freedom Keys. Kristin and Jennifer engage in a compelling dialogue that challenges the societal norms surrounding femininity, emphasizing that the embrace of one's sensuality is not only natural but essential to personal growth and fulfillment.
Throughout the conversation, Jen shares her transformative journey, illustrating how overcoming shame associated with sexuality can lead to enhanced confidence and success in various aspects of life, including business. We explore the repercussions of societal conditioning that instills shame regarding women's bodies and desires, and we advocate for a reclamation of this power as a means to foster deeper connections and authentic self-expression. This episode serves as a clarion call for listeners to confront and redefine their beliefs surrounding sensuality and to recognize its integral role in building a life they truly love.
Takeaways:
- The podcast emphasizes the significance of embracing sensuality as a crucial aspect of personal power and empowerment in women's lives.
- Jen Bugasjsky shares her transformative journey of recognizing and reclaiming her own sensuality after years of suppression and shame.
- The discussion highlights the detrimental societal narratives surrounding femininity and sexuality that cultivate feelings of shame among women.
- Listeners are encouraged to explore and redefine their self-identity and intimacy, recognizing that true empowerment comes from within.
About Jennifer:
Jen Bugajsky is a keynote speaker and sexuality coach. She guides women to reclaim their sexual power to liberate themselves from the shackles of patriarchy and centuries of sexual oppression; and own the hell out of it. She empowers them to show up confident, radiant, and fully expressed in every area of life.
Through her signature work, Shameless Freedom, Jen empowers women to release shame, break free from body, religious, and sexuality taboos, and live unapologetically turned-on in business, relationships, and life.
Drawing from her own journey of healing childhood trauma, navigating divorce, and rediscovering her feminine power, Jen leads with raw honesty, deep compassion, and unshakable courage. Her work blends leadership, sensual embodiment, and mindset coaching, guiding women to reconnect with their bodies, own their desires, and step boldly into the lives they crave.
At her core, Jen believes: Your sensuality isn’t something to hide, it’s your birthright, your power, and your pathway to liberation. Owning your sexuality is the key to freedom.
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Transcript
Hello, everyone, and welcome to the courageous destiny build a business and life you love podcast.
Speaker A:I am honored and elated to have my friend and colleague, Jen Baga, Ski CEO and founder of the Freedom Keys, with us today.
Speaker A:Welcome, Jen.
Speaker B:Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker A:Yes, thank you.
Speaker A:Jen is.
Speaker A:I gotta tell you, this woman, she is a woman's sensuality coach.
Speaker A:She also has the shameless Freedom podcast and a book series, the Sensual feminine life.
Speaker A:And I gotta tell you, the first time I met Jen, it was like I just knew.
Speaker A:I'm like, this girl is interesting, she's amazing, and I want to have her on my podcast and.
Speaker A:And showcase her to my listeners.
Speaker A:Because, you guys, how many times do we find out or how many times do we feel or we learn in life that it's shameful to be sensual and it's shameful to have pleasure, and it's such a big part of our power.
Speaker A:And I so excited to have Jen on my show today to talk to us about that and to share some of her amazing secrets.
Speaker A:Secrets and the way she works with women.
Speaker A:Jen, welcome to my show.
Speaker B:Thank you for having me.
Speaker B:It's going to be so much fun.
Speaker A:Yes, yes, very much so.
Speaker A:How.
Speaker A:Tell me about your story.
Speaker A:How did you get into this?
Speaker B:So the.
Speaker B:The long story short was I didn't want a marriage like my parents.
Speaker B:And there was one day I went to confession and I said, God, please come into the center of my marriage.
Speaker B:And the following day, I had this dream, and there was this beautiful woman in green lingerie dancing for my husband.
Speaker B:But the crazy part was the woman wasn't me.
Speaker B:It was some other woman mom on the hockey team.
Speaker B:She was gorgeous.
Speaker B:Like, you think about what feminine beauty is.
Speaker B:She had the hair, the nails, the makeup, the purses, the attitude, the.
Speaker B:Just everything about her oozed feminine.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I remember at that time going, oh, my God.
Speaker B:God, this is crazy.
Speaker B:Like, why are you showing me a dream with another woman?
Speaker B:With my husband?
Speaker B:And I had some friends at the time say, well, Jen, you know who the woman was?
Speaker B:And I'm like, yeah, she was a mom on the hockey team.
Speaker B:And they're like, no, she's you, but what are you hiding from?
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:So that was like the real eye opener for me that, like, I knew I wanted more in my life.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, I wasn't happy in my marriage and was working my ass off raising four children, working breadwinner, you name it, and here I was.
Speaker B:I just wanted to be a woman.
Speaker B:Like, I wanted to be desired.
Speaker B:I wanted to be Cherished.
Speaker B:I wanted to have not just physical intimacy, emotional intimacy, like that connection that I think that all women truly desire.
Speaker B:And then I realized, well, I didn't think I was beautiful, sexy and gorgeous.
Speaker B:And why was that?
Speaker B:And that's kind of when I started on this mission to go, well, why don't I believe that?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like society tells us all the time, oh, you're beautiful.
Speaker B:Look in the mirror, you're enough.
Speaker B:You're whole, you're worthy, you're deserving.
Speaker B:That's great.
Speaker B:But what was it that was blocking me from owning that and stepping into that is where it all began.
Speaker A:You know, that's really interesting when I think of self image and I've been through a journey with love and intimacy, and, you know, I've gone through divorce.
Speaker A:You know, now I'm with the love of my life.
Speaker A:And that area of my life is great.
Speaker A:But it was.
Speaker A:I remember at one point when I looked at myself in the mirror, all I felt was, I'm a Disney princess.
Speaker A:I didn't view myself as this sexual.
Speaker A:Sexual being, you know, this sexy being.
Speaker A:And I remember how much that bothered me.
Speaker A:I'm like, I'm a woman.
Speaker A:If I don't feel like this when I'm 40 or 45, like, when am I gonna feel this way?
Speaker A:And I want to experience that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's an interesting way to look at it.
Speaker B:Because if you think about what are little girls taught about being woman, being feminine, right.
Speaker B:We want to have a house, be a mom, raise a family.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like, we want to be beautiful, but yet we are not taught the power of our own femininity and our sexuality.
Speaker B:As women, we're actually taught to shame ourselves and our bodies, especially the parts that make us women.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker A:It's like a secret.
Speaker A:It's a secret.
Speaker A:And it's a.
Speaker A:A. I mean, I was always taught, like, I had two older brothers, and I was always taught, if any man or boy at the time, right.
Speaker A:Boy comes into my house, they're gonna get it from my brothers.
Speaker A:I'm like, I wasn't allow think that way.
Speaker A:That wasn't the right way to think.
Speaker A:And, like, from a very young age, you know, I learned, and I think many people learn, right.
Speaker A:That it's something to be.
Speaker A:It's very private.
Speaker A:It's very taboo to talk about.
Speaker A:And it makes you a little dirty if you think about it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And here's the thing.
Speaker B:There's nothing wrong with it being private.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like, everybody doesn't need to know about everybody's sexual life.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But because there's so much taboo and shame around it.
Speaker B:Like, one of the things I actually talk about in my book series is what girls and boys are taught about the female and male bodies.
Speaker B:And if you think about it, little boys are.
Speaker B:Are taught.
Speaker B:I mean, they know they.
Speaker B:They play with themselves.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, they get boners.
Speaker B:Like, that's what you think about little kids.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And we joke around about it.
Speaker B:We know they do it, et cetera.
Speaker B:And it feels good.
Speaker B:When you think about little girls, what we are taught is we get periods.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we bleed and it's dirty, and we feel shame around that part of our body.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And I don't know if anybody realizes the imprint that that creates in our world.
Speaker B:We can tell our girls, be beautiful, Be strong.
Speaker B:Love yourself.
Speaker B:You're enough.
Speaker B:But at its core, how many people talk about their period as I'm on the rag, I got Aunt Flo.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, just the.
Speaker B:The negative terms that we use about that part of ourselves.
Speaker B:It's just a dichotomy on how we're taught about the male and female body at a young age.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We're missing the.
Speaker A:The sacredness of that time.
Speaker A:We're totally missing the sacredness of that time.
Speaker A:I remember reworking that, recreating that for myself years ago and realizing that during that time, my intuition was on fire, that, yes, it was painful, but I also allowed myself extra rest and rejuvenation during that time.
Speaker A:And it went from something I couldn't stand getting to this.
Speaker A:Okay, well, this is when it is.
Speaker A:Let me make sure that my schedule reflects the time that I'm going to spend with myself during that time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I remember recreating that for me, and it was powerful.
Speaker B:We don't realize the.
Speaker B:The words that we use and the language around the things that happened around our sexuality, because most people, like, put it aside and don't think it matters.
Speaker B:There was one client of mine who, when we started, like, diving into this work, she used the terminology, oh, my God, my family was cursed.
Speaker B:All of the women were cursed with bad periods and cramps.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And after she talked about that, she realized, oh, my God, like, I didn't have children energetically because I didn't want to pass on the curse to my children.
Speaker B:So it's like, we don't think that there are things in our life and the phases and the cycles of girlhood to womanhood.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That create imprints of what we believe about our bodies, how we see ourselves, how we see our sexuality, our Power.
Speaker B:The other thing that's interesting is our sexuality is our actual source of power.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It is where our creation energy lives, our chi, our sacral energy.
Speaker B:And when we suppress that and we don't connect with it, we lose the ability to connect with the fullest expression of who we truly are.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:That's such a big.
Speaker A:You know, having gone through a journey with that, you know, most of my.
Speaker A:Most of my married life, to know that when I really did open up that part of me and recreate, like I said, the Disney princess, that money started flowing more.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:I was more confident.
Speaker A:I was not so embarrassed to talk to men.
Speaker A:I actually, a majority of my life, even in corporate America, even well into my 30s, was embarrassed to talk to men.
Speaker A:I was always so aware that there was a difference between a man and a woman, you know, And I couldn't talk to men like I could talk to you now.
Speaker A:I can say, sure.
Speaker A:I would hold myself back.
Speaker A:And there was this kind of, like, this almost immaturity in that area of my life.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:What I think ends up happening is when we don't own our sexuality, we have this skewed view of masculine and feminine energy that we don't know how to, first of all, tap into our feminine energy because we suppress it, because we feel like we've been hurt by it.
Speaker B:So we put up this wall, and then we.
Speaker B:We live more in the masculine energy.
Speaker B:So a lot of what I do with women as well, too, is to provide education on what does it mean to truly be in feminine energy.
Speaker B:And the sad thing is, no one's ever taught us that.
Speaker B:They don't teach you this in school.
Speaker B:They don't teach it to you in church.
Speaker B:They don't teach it to you in college even.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, where do you get these life skills on what does it truly mean to be a woman?
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And how do you define that for yourself so you can really step into it?
Speaker A:I love what you're saying.
Speaker A:I just think it's so important.
Speaker A:You know, coaching women is just such a blessing in my life.
Speaker A:And obviously, I help them build the business and life that they love.
Speaker A:And there is times when that subject of sensuality is so taboo, and it so has them locked out.
Speaker A:And one of the main things that they're craving for is confidence.
Speaker A:But when they have that closed off, they're only gonna go so far up.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Right before.
Speaker A:Before they really open up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because you can be confident in some areas of your life, but you can't.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Exude that full Embodied confidence.
Speaker B:If you're not embodying that sacred sexuality, which is a part of you.
Speaker B:You mentioned something about tapping into sexuality and making more money.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, I love talking about that.
Speaker B:I was actually even at a networking event last night, and that phrase came up about how you can make more money when you activate your sexuality.
Speaker B:And there were women in the room that were like, I need to talk to you.
Speaker B:And it's funny because it's one thing to talk about owning your sexuality and owning your power, and that's great.
Speaker B:But when you say, you know what, if you tap into this, you can make more money, people are like, really?
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that really happened.
Speaker B:I mean, I have.
Speaker B:I've had clients.
Speaker B:Gosh, like, the stories that I could tell of women who have come to me and said, I'm just so unhappy.
Speaker B:I'm exhausted.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And then I ask questions about, well, when's the last time you've, you know, been intimate with your partner, with your husband?
Speaker B:And I hear nine months, a year, like, it's been a long time.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:And then I will recommend, you know, opening up that.
Speaker B:That conversation.
Speaker B:And my favorite is when I get a text message back, I don't know, a week or two later, you know, whatever.
Speaker B:They decided to take action.
Speaker B:And they're like, oh, my God, I just got two new clients.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And then I smile.
Speaker B:And the crazy funny part is, like, some of my friends who I tell this to, Right.
Speaker B:And it's like they take my advice, and then they forget, and then we're having a conversation.
Speaker B:Then I ask them the same question, and then they're like, it's been about another six months.
Speaker B:It's like, it worked every other time I recommended it.
Speaker B:So why don't you keep doing it?
Speaker B:Like, drives me bananas.
Speaker A:The business action.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Actually, it's one of the things that actually breaks my heart, to be quite honest with you.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Is the women who are married who are in relationships and are not intimate with their partners, because women have these amazing men that are part of their relationship, that they're there for them.
Speaker B:But if they're like, no, I've shut this off.
Speaker B:I don't want it.
Speaker B:Like, there is so much growth, there is so much transformation and healing that is available for women if they allow themselves to tap into that piece of who they are.
Speaker B:And if you have someone who loves you.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I'm not talking about narcissists and the people who are going to get divorced and that type of thing, but the people who are genuinely happy, but they Just haven't taken it that next level, right?
Speaker B:It's like, why are you not fully enjoying each other?
Speaker B:Like, this is one of the reasons that I'm.
Speaker B:I'm so passionate about this work myself too.
Speaker B:I think about my parents and I started out saying I didn't want a marriage like my parents because they were devout Catholic and they were very good Christian Catholic people, but were not the best as a married couple.
Speaker B:And that, that intimacy, that love that, you know, kissy, huggy, whatever, holding hands, walking down the street, like they didn't even have that.
Speaker B:And when my dad died, like I was the one holding his hand.
Speaker B:It wasn't my mother.
Speaker B:And that's not how God created man and women from a relationship perspective to be right.
Speaker B:It was he made our bodies and men and women differently so that we can support one another, love one another, create that sacred sexuality, that sacred intimacy with one another, to not be shamed by it and put it aside because of society, culture, religion.
Speaker B:I mean, one of the things I've done on my podcast the last 10 weeks, I've been on a series of the top 10 religious beliefs that hold us back from our sexual freedom.
Speaker B:And it is really amazing for people to dive in and really think about it, right?
Speaker B:So many people think about money stories.
Speaker B:Everybody wants to make more money because you need money, right, in order to buy the things that you want in life, etc.
Speaker B:So I see a lot of women just in general going out and saying, okay, how can I make more money in my business?
Speaker B:How can I get a side hustle and make more money to go on this trip?
Speaker B:That type of thing.
Speaker B:So we talk about the limiting beliefs that stop us from making money.
Speaker B:But we also need to look at what we've been taught about our bodies, our sexuality, and the way that we subconsciously think about this topic.
Speaker B:Because if you don't acknowledge it, we can't shift it.
Speaker A:That's so important.
Speaker A:And one of the things that is going as I'm listening to you, that's coming up.
Speaker A:It's, it's the hiding of it.
Speaker A:Like the secret of it, that no matter what you're hiding, to what degree you're hiding, that's a percentage in which your power can't truly come out crying.
Speaker A:So if you.
Speaker A:Anything that you hide and are shameful about, you know, anything that you hide and you know, and it isn't, it's standing in the power of it, that yes, I am a sensual sexual being.
Speaker A:Yes, I am, you know, I attract money.
Speaker A:I know am a business owner.
Speaker A:And that amount in which you're allowed to fully self express and fully share yourself, you become an attraction, magnet.
Speaker A:And I, and I think that's.
Speaker A:And it is a big part of what people do hold back.
Speaker A:So I love the conversation and, and I want to, I want to really acknowledge you right now because I like to have people on my podcast that are the real deals that, you know, have been through it.
Speaker A:Because if you don't grow through it, how do you help others do it?
Speaker A:Can you share with me a little bit about your journey that truly had you be able to walk the talk at this level?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, gosh, I'm literally getting chills through my body as you're asking me that question.
Speaker B:So there's, there's two pieces of it.
Speaker B:There's the piece of acknowledging the sexual abuse that happens to me in my life.
Speaker B:And I was date raped and pregnant at 16 and had a miscarriage.
Speaker B:And that really shaped how I showed up for myself and in my relationships.
Speaker B:I also uncovered and remembered that I was abused by my grandfather as a little girl.
Speaker B:So there is pieces of my story that is healing the things that happened with my grandfather.
Speaker B:There's also the healing all of the things that happened as a teenage girl.
Speaker B:And that was a big part of, I'll say, a piece of the process.
Speaker B:So there was dealing with the past and then there was, well, how can I claim owning my sexuality as a woman?
Speaker B:Because here I was, 40 something years old was pretty much in a sexless marriage.
Speaker B:Like, neither one of us wanted sex because it wasn't important.
Speaker B:I mean, I had kids, right?
Speaker B:But it was not an important part in our marriage because neither one of us wanted it.
Speaker B:But when I started opening up and healing, it was like I, I wanted more.
Speaker B:Like I wanted to be a woman.
Speaker B:I would watch the movies, like, I'm thinking of like Sharon Stone and Basic instinct or even 50 gray, you know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like these movies that you watch or like the fantasy books that like turn you on and it's like, no, that.
Speaker B:Like, I want that.
Speaker B:Oh, but I'm ashamed.
Speaker B:I shouldn't want that, but I want that.
Speaker B:But I feel ashamed.
Speaker B:So there was this constant, like, battle of I'm feeling these feelings inside of me.
Speaker B:Oh, but they're wrong.
Speaker B:They're shameful, they're dirty.
Speaker B:Like you shouldn't want to feel that way.
Speaker B:And there was a point when I was doing my healing journey that I was so ashamed that I was 40 something years old and I didn't know my own body and I didn't know what true sex right in intimacy was.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like there was a component of, like you can have missionary.
Speaker B:I mean, you could do a handful of position, you know what I mean?
Speaker B:It's like basic shit.
Speaker B:And for me, that was my life.
Speaker B:Like it was basic sex.
Speaker B:You have your kids, you know, whatever, that I was so ashamed and embarrassed that at 40 something I didn't know certain things about my own body, what it meant to really fully have an orgasm, what all of that meant.
Speaker B:So I was on this journey of not just like sexual healing, but also working with other professionals in this industry.
Speaker B:So for the last decade, I have been studying with experts in the love, sex and relationship field and now have certification.
Speaker B:So there's a component that is my own life experience, but then also living and breathing, the education to help other women through it.
Speaker B:And what's interesting is I like to say I didn't have a path.
Speaker B:Like there wasn't a path for someone to help guide me through.
Speaker B:Like I would take a course over here and I would download this free thing over here and I would try this thing over here because it wasn't open and available for me to know who to go to and who to trust.
Speaker B:And that's what I feel I've been able to do, is to create a safe container to talk about this, to let people know that it's okay to talk about this.
Speaker B:No, I'm not a sex therapist.
Speaker B:That's not my job right there.
Speaker B:There are people who I partner with that are sex therapists.
Speaker B:But I do talk about sexuality and pleasure and the body because it's a part of who we are as a woman.
Speaker B:And I firmly believe that it's a combination of whether you call it therapy, coaching, energy work, etc.
Speaker B:And work you do on your own with your own body that allows you to grow.
Speaker B:You can't just go to therapy and have coaching and expect all of these things to just magically heal themselves.
Speaker B:When we are talking about the body keeping score, the body remembers everything.
Speaker B:So we have to use our hands, we have to connect physically and love our bodies.
Speaker B:Like give ourselves a breast massage.
Speaker B:You can do it in the shower if that doesn't feel awkward, right, because you have to wash yourself anyway.
Speaker B:But it's that really connecting with our bodies and knowing the different tools that we can use.
Speaker B:I think a lot of times, unfortunately, what happens for women when we do, when we get touched by a man, it feels good.
Speaker B:We then want that touch from him because it always feels great from someone else.
Speaker B:And we don't realize that we have.
Speaker A:Like, it's coming from a missing if we're doing it ourselves because the man's not there.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I just wanted to make sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I think a lot of times we women will think, oh, I.
Speaker B:They're not thinking, I need this from a man.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But energetically.
Speaker B:Like, they feel like they're getting turned on when they're with the man.
Speaker B:But actually, you are the one who turns yourself on.
Speaker B:If you learn how to turn on your own energy, your own pleasure, then you show up already turned on.
Speaker B:In the.
Speaker B:The relationship, the partnership, you are there to give.
Speaker B:You're not there to say, oh, let me, like, take from you.
Speaker B:Like, I need you in order to turn myself on.
Speaker B:And again, nobody thinks this way, but it's a lot of what women do, and they would probably fight me on it.
Speaker B:But I can.
Speaker B:I can look at women and I can see where they're at.
Speaker B:I'll say sexually or just from their fullest embodiment, just in the way that they speak, in the way that they walk, in the way that they choose to use words or not use words around the topic.
Speaker B:Because when we hide or feel that shame, there's room for growth.
Speaker B:Like, the other thing I think about sexuality, too, is it's never ending.
Speaker B:There's always growth.
Speaker B:Like, what's super cool about it is there are so many different things that you can explore.
Speaker B:It's almost like different flavors of food, if that makes any sense.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, you can make food taste different based on using a different spice or mixing it with different ingredients.
Speaker B:It's the same thing with our sexual energy and our connection as well, too.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's not just, let's do something only one way to turn ourself on.
Speaker B:There are multiple things that we can do to own that piece of ourself.
Speaker B:And, I mean, I just remember when I started this, I was so embarrassed and ashamed because I was like, who am I?
Speaker B:Like, I'm the good Catholic girl, right.
Speaker B:Was raised in a Catholic home.
Speaker B:I should not be thinking about this.
Speaker B:And to be honest with you, I had a belief and I didn't know it that sex was evil.
Speaker B:And I talk about this in the.
Speaker B:The first episode of my podcast when I just relaunched it because I wanted sexual intimacy after my divorce.
Speaker B:And the funny story was it just wasn't happening.
Speaker A:Like, I would meet their story after story unconsciously.
Speaker A:We can hold ourselves back.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker B:I was holding myself back because sex was evil.
Speaker B:You shouldn't have sex outside of marriage.
Speaker B:I Mean, it was like all of these things.
Speaker B:So even though I wanted it, I knew what I wanted.
Speaker B:My subconscious mind and my belief was holding me back.
Speaker B:And I did this for years and I didn't have a coach, a support system or whatever to guide me through it and to say, okay, hey, this is okay, right?
Speaker B:Like this is how you can navigate through this.
Speaker B:But you also have to acknowledge the belief that you have.
Speaker B:I never thought that it was a belief until it showed up and I was like, I need to heal this.
Speaker B:And then the floodgates opens and that's.
Speaker A:A whole other podcast.
Speaker A:I love what you're saying because.
Speaker A:And I have to get to my two questions and then I have to create a series to talk about you on my podcast because I could have you on here all day.
Speaker A:I don't know if you guys are getting this, but if this is so resonating with me and just, I think it's going to be so helpful to my listeners, I'm really excited bring this content out and to, to showcase you.
Speaker A:And I want to make sure that all of my listeners also know that if you want to get in touch with Jen, that all of the links will be in the podcast notes so you can contact her.
Speaker A:She has great events, she, she has the series of books.
Speaker A:We'll have a link that you can go ahead and download those or, or purchase those if you'd like.
Speaker A:But I wanted to say whenever we're struggling in life, whatever area of life it is, it's not always easy to see and it does take courage in order to see certain things like just hearing you say plainly, right, I believe that sex was evil.
Speaker A:It's not like consciously the first time you, you know, you did work to, to accept and to hear that or, and to be able to hear that from yourself.
Speaker A:And I, I wanted to showcase that for the listeners because, you know, it isn't always easy to take in some of the beliefs that we have, but if you can have the courage to look at some of the truths and to have women in your life or men, people that can really allow you to be fully self express expressed to be able to hear some of those things, be open to hear the feedback and you can be able to interrupt some of these patterns in life, you know, whatever area of life it is that you're struggling in.
Speaker A:So I can't, I can't thank you enough for coming on my podcast.
Speaker A:So I would like to ask you two questions that I ask all my guests and then I wrap up this episode.
Speaker A:Unfortunately, because, like I said, this can keep going.
Speaker A:You're amazing.
Speaker A:Number one.
Speaker A:What is the most courageous thing you've ever done?
Speaker A:Ooh.
Speaker B:The most courageous.
Speaker A:This is gonna be good, guys.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker B:My God, I was not prepared to answer this question.
Speaker A:I don't want you to be prepared.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I'm thinking, like, what is the most courageous?
Speaker B:Okay, I will say.
Speaker A:Hmm.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna go with the first thought that came into my head, which could probably be a whole new episode.
Speaker B:It was when I was first awakening and feeling this awakening of sensuality and womanhood in my body, and I was still married at the time, and I had feelings for another man, and the world would have said, you're wrong.
Speaker B:You cheated on your husband.
Speaker B:But I stopped betraying myself.
Speaker B:So what I did.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Now I got chills.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:And I just did too.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:I kept thinking, oh, my gosh, I can't betray him.
Speaker B:I can't betray him.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like, I can't do that.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And the crazy thing is, I literally just kissed this man naked for three hours.
Speaker B:Like, I. I didn't even have sex with him.
Speaker B:But that doesn't matter, right?
Speaker B:Like, I found myself in a place of loving me and honoring me and releasing all judgments.
Speaker B:And most people would say that was wrong and sinful.
Speaker B:And I will say it was probably one of the best decisions that I made in my life.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:And a necessary decision to bring you here today to be able to talk like this in front of and create, you know, your coaching and your books and all of those things.
Speaker B:And I even wrote a song after that experience too.
Speaker B:So cool.
Speaker B:I get to talk about this.
Speaker A:Oh, I love it.
Speaker A:And I have one more question.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:What's the most courageous thing you have left to do?
Speaker B:I have left to do.
Speaker B:There's probably a lot.
Speaker B:It's really stepping out and getting this word out there more.
Speaker B:It is partnering with more people like you.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:To get out there and talk and share and stop worrying.
Speaker B:I think I'm past the stop worrying about the naysayers, because I don't really care about them anymore.
Speaker B:But it's the just creating more of a ripple effect.
Speaker B:And when people can know the power of this, it not only transforms your life, it transforms your family.
Speaker B:I see my kids grow when I own my sexuality.
Speaker A:You break the chains.
Speaker A:You break the chains.
Speaker A:You know, we talk about these generational chains.
Speaker B:That's what it is.
Speaker B:It's breaking generational traumas, curses, beliefs, you name it.
Speaker B:That it's more than me.
Speaker B:It's for them.
Speaker B:It's for their children.
Speaker B:It's for future generations.
Speaker A:Well, I can't wait to see how the ripple effect from the work that you do.
Speaker A:And I am going to be a cheerleader on the side and I believe a collaborator at some point and link arms with you to change some lives.
Speaker A:And thank you so much for being on my podcast today.
Speaker A:Again, you guys, don't be shy.
Speaker A:If you heard something that really inspired and resonated with you today, reach out to Jen, reach out to Jen, reach out to me, whichever comes first.
Speaker A:Because you, you deserve to to be fully self expressed and fully embody your power in life.
Speaker A:And I just highly encourage you to have the courage to do it.
Speaker A:Thank you so much.
Speaker A:And until next time, everyone, live courageously.
